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Chris C 
"Four words, never backwards."
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 Posted - 11/08/2007 : 19:54:45
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Benj
I just clicked on one of Salopian's fwfr.co.uk links in the "My Accolade Collections" thread, and the domain seems to have gone missing.
Were you aware of this? |
Edited by - Chris C on 11/08/2007 20:01:08 |
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benj clews 
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 21:10:22
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I was, then I forgot and now I am again.
I'll have a quick look-see and post here if I make any progress.
(Cheers for reminding me, BTW  ) |
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 21:40:17
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| Well, it seems some cheeky bugger has somehow hijacked the domain name (even though I've paid for it up to 2009). I'm currently chasing it up with my domain registrar. |
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RockGolf 
"1500+ reviews. 1 joke."
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 22:06:05
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| The cheeky bugger is Seb Clark of 25 South Road, Saffron Walden, Essex and based on a Google search he has a habit of jumping on supposedly expired web addresses in the UK. |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 22:47:58
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Originally posted by R o � k G 0 1 f
The cheeky bugger is Seb Clark of 25 South Road, Saffron Walden, Essex and based on a Google search he has a habit of jumping on supposedly expired web addresses in the UK.
OK, so which of you UK fwfrers is close enough to pay him a visit....  |
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 23:18:22
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Originally posted by R o � k G 0 1 f
The cheeky bugger is Seb Clark of 25 South Road, Saffron Walden, Essex and based on a Google search he has a habit of jumping on supposedly expired web addresses in the UK.
Yup, so I found out 
The irritating thing is: I renewed the domain until 2009 several days before it expired in June of this year and yet somehow Mr Clark still managed to register the domain in September.
Judging by this guy's track record, he must know some flaw in the system that allows you to swipe a domain name even when it's fully paid up.
I have a nasty feeling this is gonna' be such a bugger to get resolved that Mr Clark ends up with the domain name simply because I can't be bothered with all the letters, faxes and possibly legal proceedings I'll no doubt have to go through to get this resolved. And that's exactly how Mr Clark can keep getting away with this. |
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 23:59:55
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Originally posted by 8enj clews
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Originally posted by R o � k G 0 1 f
The cheeky bugger is Seb Clark of 25 South Road, Saffron Walden, Essex and based on a Google search he has a habit of jumping on supposedly expired web addresses in the UK.
Yup, so I found out
The irritating thing is: I renewed the domain until 2009 several days before it expired in June of this year and yet somehow Mr Clark still managed to register the domain in September.
Judging by this guy's track record, he must know some flaw in the system that allows you to swipe a domain name even when it's fully paid up.
I have a nasty feeling this is gonna' be such a bugger to get resolved that Mr Clark ends up with the domain name simply because I can't be bothered with all the letters, faxes and possibly legal proceedings I'll no doubt have to go through to get this resolved. And that's exactly how Mr Clark can keep getting away with this.
Can't you report him to Nominet?
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 00:21:39
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Can't you report him to Nominet?
I've been looking at their site and, to be honest, I barely understand a word of it. From what I can tell, most of the complaints they deal with seem to be based around the assumption someone has bought a domain in advance of you in order to fool people into thinking their site is somehow associated with yours.
I can't see anything at all about complaining when someone has transferred control of your domain |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 06:43:56
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Originally posted by 8enj clews
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Can't you report him to Nominet?
I've been looking at their site and, to be honest, I barely understand a word of it. From what I can tell, most of the complaints they deal with seem to be based around the assumption someone has bought a domain in advance of you in order to fool people into thinking their site is somehow associated with yours.
I can't see anything at all about complaining when someone has transferred control of your domain
Hmmm ... you're right in that the site is extremely dense, but I think they do facilitate action against someone who has registered a name that is already taken ... there seem to be some strange anomalies re: acronyms, though. If your registrar is a nominet member there should be no problem with them taking action.
The slimeball Seb Clark apparently registered via CentraServe Ltd - whose website is merely an online contact form otherwise known as data-collection with no info provided about the company. But, surprise, surprise- CentraServe Ltd is in fact:
CentraServe Ltd 12 Market Walk, Saffron Walden Essex, England, CB10 1JZ. Contact Name: Seb Clark Tel: +44 (0) 1799 523882 Fax: +44 (0) 1799 523335
According to UKData Ltd's credit report on the company, CentraServe's incorporation details are:
Registered No. 03191014
Type: Private Limited with share capital
Incorporation Date: 26/04/1996
Status: Small unquoted company filing only a modified balance sheet
Last Accounts Filed: 30/04/2006
Last Accounts Analysed: 30/04/2006
If your registrar wants to pay for their full annual accounts it will cost under 20 quid to download the pdf.
If you/your registrar want to read the legal domain-name-resolution procedure and decision of 2004 against a company whose domain name was gazumped by Seb Clark, it's in pdf format here.
I'm guessing that your registrar may have delayed your domain renewal just long enough for Clark to sweep it up. Apparently, as that DNR case indicates, he sits on whois and routinely swipes domains due for renewal. So because he's set himself up as his own registrar he can probably beat legit registrars by minutes.
I'm no lawyer, but I'm guessing your registrar might have a case since your transaction was a renewal and Clark's was clearly predatory ... in any case you should get your registration fee back since your registrar failed to protect you.
But, as you say, it may not be worth the hassle and as long as you're SURE to renew fwfr.com in good time before expiry you should be able to operate on that. My domain hosts [the very wonderful cphosting.com] have started an automatic domain lock service to prevent this kind of domain name theft. The default is locked unless you choose to release it.
I'm so sorry you've been the victim of that Saffron Waldon bandit
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Salopian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 09:06:08
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In case it's any help, www.fwfr.co.uk stopped working on 23rd July. It was some time later that the current page started appearing there.
As this seems unlikely to get resolved soon, I have changed my links in the accolade thread. |
Edited by - Salopian on 11/09/2007 10:14:07 |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 11:31:47
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| It's times like this we could do with a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' niggaz with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get medieval on his ass. |
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 11:33:08
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Yeah, I think 123-reg have eff-ed up. I'm thinking I renewed the domain and then they didn't bother to tell Nominet. If that is that case, I can't really blame Seb- he still took a further 2 months to get around to registering it for himself.
Maybe if I'd been in the country I might have been more thorough checking up on the domain after renewal |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 12:24:05
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You should start by trying to see if this guy is reasonable - contact him, show that you paid for the re-registration and invite him to give it back to you.
See what he says.
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 13:23:15
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
You should start by trying to see if this guy is reasonable - contact him, show that you paid for the re-registration and invite him to give it back to you.
See what he says.
I read in that resolution document BB posted that he was asking someone for a "four figure sum" for a domain name. And that was with a domain name considerably longer than four characters. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 13:38:51
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The first step towards establishing your legal right to the name is for you to act reasonably, that is to contact him, explain why it is your name and not his, and invite him to return it to you.
Only after he fails to comply do you have any business asking anyone else to intervene on your behalf.
Failure to do this makes you seem the unreasonable one, as he can always turn around and say "Well, if only he had contacted me, explained the situation and asked politely I'd have given it to him back straight away".
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Incidentally, just in case anyone is thinking about contacting the guy to ask how much he wants for the domain, I'd advise them not to do so, as it will give him the impression it's a very saleable commodity, which won't help Benj get it back off him. 
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 14:48:06
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I'm waiting to see what my registrar has to say for itself first. Either they've messed up, or this guy has diddled the system somehow (one possible way is to cancel the domain by faxing a fake id in my name and then buy it for himself).
If it's the latter case then, I'm sorry, but I'm not haggling with a thief. |
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Attention Benj - fwfr.co.uk is missing
