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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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 Posted - 11/09/2007 : 16:53:02
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Of course it's entirely up to you how much effort you are prepared to make to try to regain the domain name, but it doesn't seem to me that sending the guy a letter is such a big deal. You are certainly assuming the worst of this guy, and although you could be right, you have very little evidence to support a claim that he might have forged a fax. He might just as well be entirely honest if opportunistic.
If your domain registrars took your money but didn't do the job then they are liable, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are a bit cagey. Also where are they? USA? If so maybe MguyX could sue them for you on a contingency basis - could be worth a few million $s. 
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benj clews 
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 17:59:37
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Of course it's entirely up to you how much effort you are prepared to make to try to regain the domain name, but it doesn't seem to me that sending the guy a letter is such a big deal. You are certainly assuming the worst of this guy, and although you could be right, you have very little evidence to support a claim that he might have forged a fax. He might just as well be entirely honest if opportunistic.
If your domain registrars took your money but didn't do the job then they are liable, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are a bit cagey. Also where are they? USA? If so maybe MguyX could sue them for you on a contingency basis - could be worth a few million $s.
Well I didn't say he *had* forged a fax, just that that is one way that this has been known to have been done before now.
I'd just like to know some facts before I try contacting the guy. If Nominet tells me I cancelled the domain (but didn't) then I don't know what I'm supposed to say to him (I'm guessing I probably shouldn't say anything) but if the domain lapsed then he's within his rights to have bought it and it's time to talk if he's at all reasonable. |
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 14:30:52
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Email me: seb at centraserve dot com
Amazing conspiracy theories - good work! Bottom line is far less sinister i am afraid. He didnt renew the domain within the 90 days Nominet give you (during which time the domain name doesnt work - so you really should notice), my automated system picked it up a few days after (based upon the simply assumption that if you dont renew the domain in the 90 days while it doesnt work then you really arent that bothered about the domain ...).
Sorry to disappoint - just like you can find me - i can find you :) Good old Google.
Have Fun!
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Salopian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 14:36:08
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Originally posted by sebclark
Email me: seb at centraserve dot com
Amazing conspiracy theories - good work! Bottom line is far less sinister i am afraid. He didnt renew the domain within the 90 days Nominet give you (during which time the domain name doesnt work - so you really should notice), my automated system picked it up a few days after (based upon the simply assumption that if you dont renew the domain in the 90 days while it doesnt work then you really arent that bothered about the domain ...).
Sorry to disappoint - just like you can find me - i can find you :) Good old Google.
Have Fun!
We did notice and were bothered. Benj was on his honeymoon. |
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 18:55:01
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by sebclark
Email me: seb at centraserve dot com
Amazing conspiracy theories - good work! Bottom line is far less sinister i am afraid. He didnt renew the domain within the 90 days Nominet give you (during which time the domain name doesnt work - so you really should notice), my automated system picked it up a few days after (based upon the simply assumption that if you dont renew the domain in the 90 days while it doesnt work then you really arent that bothered about the domain ...).
Sorry to disappoint - just like you can find me - i can find you :) Good old Google.
Have Fun!
We did notice and were bothered. Benj was on his honeymoon.
And I did notice and I did renew before the expiry date (let alone the 90 days while it doesn't work)- I have the confirmation from 123-Reg (and withdrawal from my bank account) to prove it. I guess they just didn't get around to fulfilling their end of the deal. Ah well... 
Yep, it IS less sinister than it appears, but somehow I suspected you would end up here, Mr Clark. Either you're checking to see how much I want the domain or you're the kind of person who spends hours Googling his own name. Which is it? |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 21:56:44
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Originally posted by 8enj clews
And I did notice and I did renew before the expiry date (let alone the 90 days while it doesn't work)- I have the confirmation from 123-Reg (and withdrawal from my bank account) to prove it. I guess they just didn't get around to fulfilling their end of the deal. Ah well...
Then surely, if you've paid for it, and they haven't delivered, then they have an obligation to deliver? I.e., get you your domain back? |
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 22:13:34
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by 8enj clews
And I did notice and I did renew before the expiry date (let alone the 90 days while it doesn't work)- I have the confirmation from 123-Reg (and withdrawal from my bank account) to prove it. I guess they just didn't get around to fulfilling their end of the deal. Ah well...
Then surely, if you've paid for it, and they haven't delivered, then they have an obligation to deliver? I.e., get you your domain back?
I doubt it, since they're middlemen. If they didn't tell Nominet I'd renewed then Nominet is none the wiser and obviously let it lapse and others are free to buy it instead.
I seriously doubt that if 123-Reg were to say "Sorry- we forgot to renew a domain name for one of our clients", Nominet will then retrieve it back from the new owner. The best I can hope for is an explanation and refund from 123-Reg and for me to then take my business somewhere that is capable of renewing the domain names it's supposed to. |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 05:12:04
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Ah, gotcha. The old "We screwed up but we aren't responsible for the consequences" scenario.
Perhaps the best thing is to do nothing. Mr Clark might eventually see the futility in paying to maintain someone else's domain that is no use to him whatsoever. And at the moment it's no use to anyone at all. And in the meantime...
Viva http://www.fwfr.com/
http://www.fwxr.com/
http://www.4wfr.com/
http://fwfr.com/
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 11:48:03
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Originally posted by Se�n
Ah, gotcha. The old "We screwed up but we aren't responsible for the consequences" scenario.
Perhaps the best thing is to do nothing. Mr Clark might eventually see the futility in paying to maintain someone else's domain that is no use to him whatsoever. And at the moment it's no use to anyone at all. And in the meantime...
Viva http://www.fwfr.com/
http://www.fwxr.com/
http://www.4wfr.com/
http://fwfr.com/
etc.
Exactly. The .co.uk was never a massive priority, especially as I don't have any competitors and, with the number of reviews we now have, are unlikely to ever have (certainly not with those initials anyway, since I have the trademark).
It actually kind of amuses me to think of this guy having to pay a yearly fee on something he'll have difficulty shifting- it's payback for being responsible for dragging the internet into banality through plain and simple greed. I don't have an issue with people buying up lots of domain names (heck, I could be accused of that), but to sit on them like the spoilt fat kid that everyone hated at school did with all the best toys? If Seb and his ilk had their way, there'd be nothing of any worth on the internet- just a bunch of generic search pages referencing each other. |
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 12:34:39
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Originally posted by 8enj clews
It actually kind of amuses me to think of this guy having to pay a yearly fee on something he'll have difficulty shifting- it's payback for being responsible for dragging the internet into banality through plain and simple greed. I don't have an issue with people buying up lots of domain names (heck, I could be accused of that), but to sit on them like the spoilt fat kid that everyone hated at school did with all the best toys? If Seb and his ilk had their way, there'd be nothing of any worth on the internet- just a bunch of generic search pages referencing each other.
I wouldn't feel too sorry for that spawn of the devil  - he prob'ly gets revenue from those sites listed on the page.
But, I totally agree with you - it's SO FAR from the spirit of the net. I'll bet if Tim Berners-Lee knew how the web would be abused in this way he'd have built in better safeguards. Sharing is one thing -- stealing is quite another.
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 13:27:14
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But, I totally agree with you - it's SO FAR from the spirit of the net. I'll bet if Tim Berners-Lee knew how the web would be abused in this way he'd have built in better safeguards. Sharing is one thing -- stealing is quite another.
I'm a bit confused as to where the stealing comes into it, but yes- this really isn't in the spirit of the internet at all.
If I had Nominet's ear I'd say there is a simple solution- if there is no evidence of original and updated content being provided on a domain name then I would classify that domain name as being Cybersquatted and therefore released back into the public domain. Every domain name should provide a service of some kind and that service should be clearly related to the what the domain name means. It isn't hard to look at any of Mr Clark's 'websites' and see they require no maintenance and offer no value to the internet at all.
In fact, I'd be tempted to say any of these so-called search engines should automatically be classed as Cybersquatting. Seriously, nobody has any chance against the search engine titans and anybody claiming they're offering a comparable service is full of it. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 15:03:15
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If 123Reg took your money to register the domain name and failed to do it, you are entitled to a lot more than your fee back - you are entitled to compensation for the loss of the domain.
You should suggest to 123REG that they attempt to buy it back for you.
Failing that you should ask Mr Clark how much he wants for the domain name and then tell 123Reg that that's the amount of compensation you require. After all, its a professional valuation!
Provided that you can definitely show you ordered it (and preferably were billed for it, although even this may not be necessary) then you have a very simple case against 123Reg.
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 15:31:16
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
If 123Reg took your money to register the domain name and failed to do it, you are entitled to a lot more than your fee back - you are entitled to compensation for the loss of the domain.
You should suggest to 123REG that they attempt to buy it back for you.
Failing that you should ask Mr Clark how much he wants for the domain name and then tell 123Reg that that's the amount of compensation you require. After all, its a professional valuation!
Provided that you can definitely show you ordered it (and preferably were billed for it, although even this may not be necessary) then you have a very simple case against 123Reg.
Hopefully so, but I've yet to hear back from them. As a compulsive letter of complaint writer, I'm forever amazed how many companies do this- they just ignore you in the hope you'll give up  |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 16:52:23
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Yep, it often works.
If they didn't register your domain, what are the chances that they didn't register others? A LOT of others?
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benj clews
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 17:05:46
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
If they didn't register your domain, what are the chances that they didn't register others? A LOT of others?
Shhhh! Seb might be reading this!  |
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