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BaftaBaby 
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 Posted - 01/11/2013 : 22:50:31
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Originally posted by randall
Um, Baffy, I just went back and read the BAFTA noms which you posted. So, my darling, what are "Chapter members"?
Well, it's a bit of a moveable feast, but ...
First, a teensy bit of context. BAFTA, unlike AMPAS, encompasses da movies, telly, and - recently - vid games. Also, unlike AMPAS [though more recently it's changing], the British industry sees far more cross-over between sub-media. So film people - both sides of the camera - also work in t.v.
It was slightly more clear when all t.v. was recorded on tape. I do remember when film began to integrate into telly production. There were total die hards who insisted that BAFTA keep a strict delineation. They wanted categories such as Best Taped Drama, Best Film Drama ... type thing. That was also the era when the BBC - which at the time had a totally brilliant training department - trained nearly every single person who worked in the industry - film or telly.
So, as a BAFTA member, it's much more difficult to identify with which specialism you'd like to be labelled. It's left up to you.
So let's say you're a documentary film-maker who started out in the camera department and worked your way up to Director of Cinematography, and then you got the chance to direct documentaries, and you love it, and you also do your own camera-work. And maybe you also do your own editing. Whatever. So you can declare to BAFTA that - based on your expertise - you'd like to be part of the Cinematography chapter, AND the documentary chapter.
So, that's all very fine.
But there's no chapter for acting. Everyone's meant to be able to assess acting. Which to me is bullshit. But there you go.
I'm able to vote in the documentary and foreign language chapters as well as the more general stuff, on the basis that I've pledged to watch all/most of the eligible films in that category. Also my experience as a producer and film journalist is recognized as my having a certain expertise in assessment.
BAFTA asks that you abstain from voting in preliminary rounds for chapter categories you feel inadequate to assess. Then you can vote for the winner once the short-list has been announced. I'm never going to put myself in for the sound editing chapter.
Trying to really get to grips with these distinctions is a bit like trying to understand the subtle differences between US and UK political processes. You think you get it. And then, years go by, and you realize you ain't got it after all. Oy vey!!
Hope this helps. 
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 01/11/2013 : 23:08:15
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Well, I've been quite vocal on my thoughts on the huge snub dealt the inimitable John Hawkes for The Sessions, which left me aghast at the embrace of awards hater Joaquin Phoenix, who is apparently going for the Marlon Brando bloc of voters, or perhaps he's counting on the Scientology bloc? I have my favorites, 'tis true, and from that, I can't help but root now for Daniel Day-Lewis, who actually tugged at my Abraham Lincoln-loving heartstrings and made me cry at the trailer shown on oscar.go.com. Although I know she's not the favorite, I'll root for Naomi Watts for The Impossible and back the favorite Anne Hathaway. My favorites really seem to circulate around those who made the biggest physical sacrifices, I think. Alas, I still have a month or so to catch what I've not yet seen.
That's the whole point!  |
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w22dheartlivie 
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 01/11/2013 : 23:39:04
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Originally posted by randall
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
Well, I've been quite vocal on my thoughts on the huge snub dealt the inimitable John Hawkes for The Sessions, which left me aghast at the embrace of awards hater Joaquin Phoenix, who is apparently going for the Marlon Brando bloc of voters, or perhaps he's counting on the Scientology bloc? I have my favorites, 'tis true, and from that, I can't help but root now for Daniel Day-Lewis, who actually tugged at my Abraham Lincoln-loving heartstrings and made me cry at the trailer shown on oscar.go.com. Although I know she's not the favorite, I'll root for Naomi Watts for The Impossible and back the favorite Anne Hathaway. My favorites really seem to circulate around those who made the biggest physical sacrifices, I think. Alas, I still have a month or so to catch what I've not yet seen.
That's the whole point!
Mayhaps is, but since they won't let me drive with my poor vision, it's quite difficult to get anyone to drive me to the cinema, so sometimes it's a hit and miss world. I will try, though! |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 02/04/2013 : 22:18:02
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| I've caught LINCOLN now, and I bow to it. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 02/15/2013 : 02:01:41
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| In case you want to follow wholeheartedly, here's the app. |
Edited by - randall on 02/15/2013 02:01:56 |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/15/2013 : 07:29:49
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While it may not interest anyone else much, the buzz here is all about the continual Arab-Israeli conflict - in Oscar nominations. Last year, the stellar Israeli film "Footnote" was nominated for Best Foreign Film, along with a film from Iran, and Iran won.
This year, the war is in the documentary category with the Palestinian "5 Broken Cameras" against the Israeli "The Gatekeepers".
And yes, I do consider 5BCs to be a Palestinian film - despite the help that the film maker got from an Israeli.
Having seen clips of them both, I'm afraid this will be yet another battle that Israel can't win - and I actually think 5BCs deserves the prize.
So, once again Israel will wake up on the morning after without bringing home a golden statue (you can imagine how thrilled we were here when Jerusalem born Natalie Portman won for Best Actress).
BUT...
Just you all wait until NEXT year.
Ari Folman (the genius who made "Waltz with Bashir") has a film coming out that might just change this. And NOT in the Foreign Film category!
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Little Old Lady from Dubuque 
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 20:23:55
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The Little Old Lady from Dubuque's picks:
Best film: Argo
Best actress: Jessica Chastain - Zero Dark Thirty
Best actor: Daniel Day Lewis - Lincoln
Best director: Steven Spielberg - Lincoln
Best supporting actor: Robert De Niro - Silver Linings Playbook
Best supporting actress:Anne Hathaway - Les Miserables
Sorry, dark-horses, but I'm going with the favorites this year!  |
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w22dheartlivie
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 04:15:55
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Okay, so while I'm thinking about it, although I have commented here already, it is time for my own personal Oscar predictions, since I posted it on Facebook too:
Best Supporting Actor: Tommy Lee Jones for Lincoln. I favor him over his competition, Christophe Waltz, whose recent win for Inglorious Basterds sort of holds him back now.
Best Supporting Actress: Anne Hathaway for Les Miserables; hands down, no doubt. Butcher your glorious hair, lose massive weight and sing your song in one heart-wrenching take gives you a nearly uncontested Oscar.
Best Actress: Jennifer Lawrence for Silver Linings Playbook. Momentum is on her side, and I think her character is a lot more likeable than Jessica Chastain's.
Best Actor: Daniel Day-Lewis for Lincoln, although I still stubbornly hold on to my deep admiration for John Hawkes. He NEEDS a Best Actor Oscar in his life. He just does.
Best Director: By default, Stephen Spielberg. I think Oscar drastically missed the boat on this by not nominating Ben Affleck, but he will still have his 2nd Oscar with...
Best Picture: Argo. This will win. Momentum swings its way and I'm thinking the 2nd choice, Lincoln, is over-whelmed despite Day-Lewis' and Jones' performances.
So, you ask, have I see the films in question? I have, except for Lincoln, which isn't yet available on DVD or cable. Thank the heavens for the Oscar category on the cable movie page. Meanwhile, I literally salivate at the opportunity to see it. It's been on my Netflix list since they first listed it. I love Abraham Lincoln, heck, I even watched him hunt vampires with little complaint. What wouldn't I do to see him straightly portrayed? Can't walk to the movie theater and with Kennetha currently under the weather, I have to resign myself to wait. And I do so anxiously! So there it is, my Oscar predictions. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 11:41:20
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This isn't any kind of prediction, but just a reminder that by the time the short-list nominations have been announced, the majority of Academy members have already voted.
The spurious battle of the contenders has more to do with bookie's odds than anything.
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 12:21:05
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
This isn't any kind of prediction, but just a reminder that by the time the short-list nominations have been announced, the majority of Academy members have already voted.
The spurious battle of the contenders has more to do with bookie's odds than anything.
Not so, Baffy. There are two votes: to nominate [deadline: early January], and to award [voting began on Feb. 8 and ended on February 19th, three days ago]. You can't vote an Oscar to somebody who hasn't been nominated -- just ask Ben Affleck! -- so general voting cannot take place until after noms are announced. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 12:52:26
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Originally posted by randall
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
This isn't any kind of prediction, but just a reminder that by the time the short-list nominations have been announced, the majority of Academy members have already voted.
The spurious battle of the contenders has more to do with bookie's odds than anything.
Not so, Baffy. There are two votes: to nominate [deadline: early January], and to award [voting began on Feb. 8 and ended on February 19th, three days ago]. You can't vote an Oscar to somebody who hasn't been nominated -- just ask Ben Affleck! -- so general voting cannot take place until after noms are announced.
Ah, when did they change that? No wonder it's such a sewn-up deal with studio-dictated block voting. The bastards!
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 13:31:41
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by randall
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
This isn't any kind of prediction, but just a reminder that by the time the short-list nominations have been announced, the majority of Academy members have already voted.
The spurious battle of the contenders has more to do with bookie's odds than anything.
Not so, Baffy. There are two votes: to nominate [deadline: early January], and to award [voting began on Feb. 8 and ended on February 19th, three days ago]. You can't vote an Oscar to somebody who hasn't been nominated -- just ask Ben Affleck! -- so general voting cannot take place until after noms are announced.
Ah, when did they change that? No wonder it's such a sewn-up deal with studio-dictated block voting. The bastards!
The heyday of studio-dictated bloc voting is long gone. The studios don't run Hollywood like they used to: for example, there are no contract players any more. Yes, you used to have to vote the mogul's way or risk losing your job, but nowadays the politicking is out in the open [that's why Harvey Weinstein is famous]. You can try to persuade, but you can't command an Oscar vote any more. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 13:49:10
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Originally posted by randall
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by randall
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
This isn't any kind of prediction, but just a reminder that by the time the short-list nominations have been announced, the majority of Academy members have already voted.
The spurious battle of the contenders has more to do with bookie's odds than anything.
Not so, Baffy. There are two votes: to nominate [deadline: early January], and to award [voting began on Feb. 8 and ended on February 19th, three days ago]. You can't vote an Oscar to somebody who hasn't been nominated -- just ask Ben Affleck! -- so general voting cannot take place until after noms are announced.
Ah, when did they change that? No wonder it's such a sewn-up deal with studio-dictated block voting. The bastards!
The heyday of studio-dictated bloc voting is long gone. The studios don't run Hollywood like they used to: for example, there are no contract players any more. Yes, you used to have to vote the mogul's way or risk losing your job, but nowadays the politicking is out in the open [that's why Harvey Weinstein is famous]. You can try to persuade, but you can't command an Oscar vote any more.
OK - many of your well-made points granted, and thanks for sharing them.
BUT
I still contend it's a bookie's game.
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You'll never convince me that [despite this year's long-awaited upping of the indie quota noms] the studios' mega spend on P&A counts for nothing.
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That most of the people - not directly engaged with creativity - aren't bastards. The bastards!
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OMG! They killed Kenny!  
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randall
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 16:39:35
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All the P&A money in the world can only make you try it. It can't make you like it. Hi there, SPEED RACER! |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 20:05:10
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| Here are some fun stats to tide you over till Sunday night. |
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2013 Oscars
