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benj clews 
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 Posted - 08/05/2005 : 08:44:42
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Originally posted by george_kaplan
Recently approved but wrong: "Grant's missing Mrs. returns." The reviewer must be thinking of My Favorite Wife. Dunne and Grant separate in this film but she is hardly "missing."
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noncentz 
"Myself in four words."
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 00:09:00
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There are SEVERAL reviews for The Car, which was undeniably a big black Lincoln, that refer to it as any number of other makes and models, some which are not even close. It's like referring to Herbie as an Edsel. Sorry, Tequila.
http://www.fwfr.com/display.asp?ID=3378
I saw The Car in theaters when it first came out. We were having a family cookout and my brother and I conviced the parents to take us to the two-screen theater in town. He went to see some dumb boxing movie and I went to see The Car. I thought it was a fun movie at that age. It ended early so I snuck into his boxing movie, just as some battered black guy in red, white and blue shorts had just won the fight and some unknown dumb Italian guy was screaming for his wife, who was wearing a silly red beret.
I told my brother that in no way was his movie better than mine but he wouldn't believe me.
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benj clews
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Posted - 08/08/2005 : 00:41:31
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Originally posted by noncentz
There are SEVERAL reviews for The Car, which was undeniably a big black Lincoln, that refer to it as any number of other makes and models, some which are not even close. It's like referring to Herbie as an Edsel. Sorry, Tequila.
Fixed as best I can with my limited motor vehicle knowledge.
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roger_thornhill 
"'scuse me while I disappear..."
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Posted - 08/09/2005 : 16:25:57
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I think I posted this one to this thread before, but it's still there. Joel Bass writes of Buster Keaton's THE GENERAL, "Engineer saves train, union". Actually, Buster plays a Confederate engineer in that film, and the invading Union soldiers are the bad guys.
"Buster wins the war" should also go, since actually Buster is on the losing side of the Civil War. Typical of Keaton's mordant comic sensibility, that even when Buster is the winner he's put on the losing side of history.
Cheers, GK (who has finally achieved The Great MacGuffin accolade!)
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benj clews
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Posted - 08/09/2005 : 16:39:39
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Originally posted by george_kaplan
I think I posted this one to this thread before, but it's still there. Joel Bass writes of Buster Keaton's THE GENERAL, "Engineer saves train, union". Actually, Buster plays a Confederate engineer in that film, and the invading Union soldiers are the bad guys.
"Buster wins the war" should also go, since actually Buster is on the losing side of the Civil War. Typical of Keaton's mordant comic sensibility, that even when Buster is the winner he's put on the losing side of history.
Cheers, GK (who has finally achieved The Great MacGuffin accolade!)
Fixed.
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TitanPa 
"Here four more"
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Posted - 08/10/2005 : 10:50:40
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McDonalds doesnt sell Onion Rings in the USA. And thats where the movie was filmed. So Little Old Lady's review doesnt make much sense.
Super Size Me
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benj clews
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Posted - 08/10/2005 : 11:19:53
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Originally posted by Titanpa
McDonalds doesnt sell Onion Rings in the USA. And thats where the movie was filmed. So Little Old Lady's review doesnt make much sense.
Super Size Me
Review down-sized.
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roger_thornhill
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 14:38:20
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Twelfth Night
"Brother assumes sister's persona."
This FWFRer has got the plot exactly backward.
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AC 
"Returning FWFR Old-Timer"
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 14:44:52
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Well, it could be argued that when Sebastian is mistaken for Cesario (Viola) by Olivia and is rushed off to be married, the brother is assuming the sister's 'persona' of Cesario. In fact, an incorrect review would imply that Viola was actively impersonating her brother when she dresses as a boy - rather, she poses as a eunuch to avoid capture in the enemy Illyria.
Not to undermine your post, Kappy, but I reckon the review is okay. |
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roger_thornhill
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 14:55:47
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Originally posted by AC
Well, it could be argued that when Sebastian is mistaken for Cesario (Viola) by Olivia and is rushed off to be married, the brother is assuming the sister's 'persona' of Cesario. In fact, an incorrect review would imply that Viola was actively impersonating her brother when she dresses as a boy - rather, she poses as a eunuch to avoid capture in the enemy Illyria.
Can you tell I love this stuff?
Well, Sebastian actively protests that he is NOT Cesario, although he is mistaken for that nonentity. So to say he "assumes" his sister's persona, whichever way you slice it, is still wrong.
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AC
"Returning FWFR Old-Timer"
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 14:59:45
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But he takes his sister's place as the apple of Olivia's eye - it doesn't seem to make any difference to her, and while he protests briefly, the temptation of marrying a high-born hottie is too much for him to resist - so he goes along with it, assuming the position that Olivia would have had Cesario fill. Whether it's conscious, protesting or not, he does eventually fill Viola's position and gets Olivia off Viola's back. Moreover, Olivia does not marry Sebastian because he is Sebastian - she CLEARLY marries him because she thinks he is the person she has fallen in love with: his sister.
Let the debate continue!
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roger_thornhill
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 15:03:18
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Originally posted by AC
But he takes his sister's place as the apple of Olivia's eye - it doesn't seem to make any difference to her, and while he protests briefly, the temptation of marrying a high-born hottie is too much for him to resist - so he goes along with it, assuming the position that Olivia would have had Cesario fill. Whether it's conscious, protesting or not, he does eventually fill Viola's position and gets Olivia off Viola's back.
Let the debate continue!
I see where you're coming from. So you're saying that it is in the very last scene of the play, when all the couples are reshuffled, that Sebastian assumes his sister's persona by taking her place in Olivia's affections? Hmm. It's a very subtle point but I'll buy it. Though I think you are giving the reviewer too much credit, maybe: I think s/he just garbled the plot.
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AC
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 15:09:33
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I think you're right in that it's unlikely that this interpretation might have come into the reviewer's consideration, but that aside, the review does still work on a, yes, subtle level. We have to remember that both Sebastian and Viola think the other dead (or at least Viola holds a slim hope based on report of her brother 'like Orion on the dolphin's back') and both are enemies of Illyria, so neither would assume the other's persona of brother and sister. I think one of my arguments sprung from the suggestion that it was 'backwards' - I was more looking at it from the perspective that the review had been interpreted incorrectly and it works from another angle entirely. If the review explicitly said 'brother impersonates his sister' that would be a lazy review that didn't bother to give the play its due. However, by using 'persona', it suggests to me that it's 'Cesario', not 'Viola', that the reviewer means.
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roger_thornhill
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 15:13:23
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Well, after much pacing around in a cat suit, I waive my claim or whatever. 
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AC
"Returning FWFR Old-Timer"
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 15:46:30
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Awww, I was all ready for an all day Shakespeare debate!  Anyway, 'twas fun while it lasted - feel free to do it any time!
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